Endless $wag 2.0 - SC winner @ JustPlayGames - Liverpool 1.0

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I love these lists so goddamn much. Granted I've been on the Guavian train since SoR hit (which should probably change), but other than that mostly on the same page. Aftermath was an enormous buff.

I'm surprised you don't play Bait and Switch though! That card has been an enormous boost to my consistency with all the resource sides. Especially nice once you're already rich.

Congrats on the win!

I love this write up and list. Good job, I will definitely give this deck a spin and give you some extra data points!

Great deck. I never thought of dropping all the upgrades in favour of a ton of supports. It saddens me that you managed to win one over my Aurra Unchained deck (even though I had terrible luck with it last week - terrible dice rolls resulting in lots of resources but no damage). Maybe we can hit up TTS one day - would like to play against this.

Thank you for the kind words guys.

@Chuftbot I have only recently noticed you made a SoR version of my old list. I've had trouble recently viewing SWDestinyDB, I think my ISP was blocking my IP address to this site somehow? Good on you nonetheless! Personally I wouldn't play Bait & Swicth. It's a great aggro card, but these characters only get 2 damage from it and resolving resource sides is never a bad thing (probably better for you). There has yet to be a single game where I have been too rich. I'd rather include a card that solidifies the core strategy.

@rileyswd I don't own TTS. I play all my tabletop games face to face. I should really get it. I think its half price on the Humble Store right now so I have little excuse!

Congratulations on a well deserved win! I was at the same tournament and second your comments about the JustPlay team - they do run a great tournament and it's always fun to attend!

Is Salvo too expensive to play here? Also I was thinking Attrition would be good in such a deck ?

Have you tried Battle Formation in your deck. Seems like an amazing addition.

@michaelius I think Salvo is a really cool card but the meta right now makes it hard to get great value from as 2 character decks are the most popular. It's also unlikely you will be able to resolve it for a value higher than 2. Attrition, on first glace, seems right at home in this deck. Unfortunately it doesn't pull it's weight. Compare it to Aftermath, it costs 1 extra to play, doesn't trigger from your opponents characters and it would be fair to value 1 resource higher than 1 damage. Sadly I don't see myself ever playing this card.

@BlaackSanta - Battle Formation is almost completely useless in a deck that claims to be the slowest ever deck. It's ability, that lets you re-roll some dice, is worse than just discarding any card to re-roll. All you are getting is the free ambush action, the added turn speed will be negligible and any important die results should already be guarded by Tie Pilot from removal effects. You want to have cards in the deck that actually strengthen your board state over simple tricks like Battle Formation.

@BlaackSantaTry it sometimes. This is the kinda deck that wants to still not have rolled at all by the time the opponent claims.

Why F11D rifles instead of holdout blasters? Ambush for action economy, still has redeploy and same cost. Granted the F11Ds have one more dmg side I guess, but you can play it and then rollout a character or support.

@J1mbo it was the extra damage sides that had me sold. It also let me put my Holdout Blasters on loan to a buddy for his Han deck which clearly utilises the ambush ability to greater effect. If you wanted to play the list yourself you can always add them back. I do prefer the F-11D's though.

So you commented in your original deck about not running AT-ST since it dies horribly to deflect and other removal cards, plus in awakenings supports were not really a thing. Have you thought about putting it back in since SOR?

@cjnj193 Excellent question. I certainly considered the card, but for similar reasoning to the previous list I chose not to play it. To get an idea on the thought process of such a decision, lets compare AT-ST with a card that did make my list, namely Slave I.

The first, and perhaps the biggest issue, is cost. A huge part of deck building in any card game that has resource management is understanding your cost curve. The expectation of how likely you will be able to afford the cards in the deck as you draw through it. This list has the luxury of being wealthy, but its resources are not infinite. Endless Ranks is the beating heart of this deck and you must be prepared financially to play it as it costs a whopping 5 resources. Right now, I feel the balance of card cost to resource gain is about spot on. Spending 4 resources on Slave I was often a positive action I could take with the increased economy gained from SoR. When I first tested the original awakenings list with AT-ST I found I could never afford to play it. And even if I could, spending 6 on an AT-ST can feel like more of a set-back than improving board state.

Another issue that comes with high cost cards is their vulnerability. I already mentioned how removal effects can really hurt these cards (and thus using many cheaper cards are somewhat guarded from this), and now Rocket Launcher is also an issue. Losing a 6 cost card hurts a lot more than a 4 cost card. Also consider their liability when sitting in hand. High cost cards don't just have to dodge around Kylo anymore, you also have Unkar to contend with. Engineering your hand becomes a big part of the game against these characters, and reducing card cost can help mitigate a catastrophic hit from their specials/abilities.

Raw stats wise, AT-ST simply increases all Slave I's damage sides by +1. The extra 2 resource cost for that +1 per side doesn't feel as cost efficient as the the extra +1 Slave gets compared to TIE Fighter for just 1 more resource. This alone makes the cost to raw stats of AT-ST inferior to Slave I. But the gap gets even further when you compare specials. Slave I has a great special, it does a variable amount of damage, but importantly it is still damage. One game I was fortunate enough to resolve it for 6 damage! AT-ST on the other hand has a situational special, which in almost all circumstances is either useless or warrants a re-roll because the damage sides would serve you better.

If that hasn't convinced you then I guess try playing AT-ST and see for yourself. I don't think AT-ST will be good until there is a decent way of cheating it out, which will involve a different style of deck entirely. Or you could go crazy and make an eFinn/Poe deck (but seriously though, don't do that! Maz is better).

To be completely honest I thought ATST was 5 cost lol

I've played slight modified version which dropped Slave I inspired by this deck and is Confiscation actually useful ? I tossed it to rerolls every time I've got it. Also I never felt need to play Logistics despite going against 2 Unkar decks.

@michaelius I find Logistics to be a real MVP of the deck. It's a really strong early game tempo card. With just a single face showing and logistics, you have a turn 1 economy of 4 resources to spend. From that you could be dropping Underworld Connections, getting another resource and then dropping a Tie Fighter. That's simply a ridiculous round 1 board. Sure you will re-roll with it at times, more likely when the game is late on and you have enough resources, but it's all about the early game tempo. If I get one in my starting 5, I would not mulligan it.

Confiscation is not always useful, but it is necessary to comfortably destroy certain decks. In theory, you should be richer than your opponent, so don't be afraid to deny them paid upgrades. It's very effective vs redeploy upgrades, like Holdout Blaster. But by far its best use is for finding a backdoor vs Second Chance/Ammo Belt spam.

If you want to take my deck further than I have, then you need to add more cards that counter it's only unfavoured pairing (i.e. Poe/Maz). I personally think you need to find space for 2 x The Best Defense. Best Defencing both of Poe's dice in a round will dramatically increase the win rate in that pairing. I don't see any other card available that can guarantee both dice removed in the one action window after Poe is activated.

Have you tried Quadjumper to make your money for supports go further?

`@BeNNyBiLL - removing 2 die from Poe is unlikely - they almost always play Fast Hands so we can only hope for 2 if they roll badly first. I think Flank and possibly Closing the Net but that second one would mostly work against PoeMaz and Palpitine.

This deck is super fun and deceptively good! I do have a question for you Ben. Do you ever choose your battlefield anymore to go first or do you just go for theirs to get shields to start the match? Also do you ever try to claim during a game?

@BeNNyBiLL thanks for the inspiration. I've built a variant and will be testing it out in league and tournament play in the next week. Let you know how it goes. swdestinydb.com

@Blimblard_Blith I haven't tried Quadjumper. It wouldn't be my choice but it's not a particularly bad card by any means. The list as it is has the cash flow it needs, so I'd rather keep a card that has damage or utility. The list you linked won't work until you make unpublished lists public in your account settings! Good look with your games :D

@michaelius I suggest you play more Poe/Maz games. If you see Poe/Maz in action you will likely find the window you need for The Best Defense... will present itself. Not always will Poe have Fast Hands and not always will the be willing to resolve dice other than - because lets face it, if they are resolving a non-special side its actually to your advantage! Probability wise then, Poe will roll a special (11/36), which is more likely he won't. That is the window to Best Def them. If both dice arn't removed simultaneously, then Maz will roll with a (20/36) chance of getting at least 1 . She then subsequently uses that focus to get a Poe special and resolve it, all in the same one activation action. This is why single dice removal cards are ineffective. Failing Maz, they may just claim Emperor's Throne Room anyway, so damned if you do, damned if you don't! The odds get worse when they play Hit and Run to activate both Poe and Maz, but they can't have all their tricks in one turn so you just have to take the hit. Best Defence is also ridiculously good against Palpatine too. Best Defence is so good post-SoR for all the reasons it was so bad in Awakenings. My Poe/Maz ride may have been a little more comfortable if I realised this sooner!

@Spartanlife74 glad you're enjoying it. I have dabbled with going first every now and then yet I have never conclusively found it to be in my advantage. Unless you can unequivocally justify that going first will be best for you in a certain match-up, chances are going second is the best way! As for claiming, once in a blue moon you finish all your actions before an opponent. In which case claim away. That situation doesn't present itself very often so I wouldn't worry about it. Sometimes, an opponent may continually pass in waiting for the best opportunity to play a removal event. You can sometimes trick them into giving you claim of the battlefield if you bait their action at the right time. Try to foresee what they are holding out for.

Played it again today - currently 6-0 with my no legends version :) But this time confiscation and logistics were MVP since I had bad luck with drawing Aftermath.

What would you pull to make room for the 2x Best Defense?

@Tybrid I pulled 2x air superiority for 2x best defense. I didn't use it much in my testing, and it costs the same as the best defense, so I felt it was best to cut it

@Tybrid I was thinking the speeder bike and one of either Imperial War Machine or Air Superiority.

@BeNNyBiLLSo if you absolutely had to remove the Z6 what would you replace it with? I'm currently running a second speeder bike in it's place.

@Tybrid well the Z6 would have previously been a Holdout Blaster. I'd choose that over another speeder bike.

This is the best deck. This is the number 1 deck in the whole world...

"I will build a great, great wall of supports on our southern border, and I will have my opponent scratching their eyes out whilst paying for their ignorance of the wall. Mark my words."

Im nicknaming this deck the "Trump Administration"

This deck looks great! Thanks for sharing it. I don't own "Imperial War Machine", is there any other card you recommend to replace this one?

Thanks!

Your welcome @ibrahack. Imperial War Machine is a solid card, but the deck won't suffer without them. You have plenty of options. Personally, I suggest you replace it with The Best Defense... as it is really strong vs the current meta and is what I currently use when playing this archetype. Alternatively you could double up on the Z6 Riot Control Baton and Supply Line cards. Holdout Blaster is also an option. I'm not a big fan of playing too many removal cards but there is no harm in adding things like Flank, Doubt, Block or Dodge. Take your pick really!

Have you done anything on working this into EaW? I've had a lot of fun with a deck based off of this using phasma/3 troopers. Next plan is to try a closer one with phasma/bazine/2 troopers so it'll be a little closer

I've not yet bought into the new set, haven't really had time to. Seems to me if you play Bazine & Phasma you will only have 2 non-unique characters, thus making Endless Ranks very easy for an opponent to play around. I imagine you would need to drop them and play other cards to bulk up the survival time of the characters.

Phasma, 3 trooper sounds good to me though. Losing the yellow hurts but its definitely playable. My gut feeling is $wag lists have only got weaker with EaW. Either way I threw a few cards together for you to compare with (Albeit untested, I don't publish anything that I don't have results for) swdestinydb.com